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AURICULAR ACUPUNCTURE VSR MEETING APRIL 2008
Paul blacker - EAR PB
Dragomir Luborimov - TAS DL
Amanda Shayle - TAS AS
Anne Marshall - Acu-detox plus UK AM
Pauline Ronson - SAA - PR
Jonathan Tarr - SAA JT
Janine Cousins - ACT JC
Apologies
Jean Nestor Foundation of integrated health
Ian Cambray Smith Foundation of integrated health
Samantha terry - sustainable health
Ray Ghandi - NADA
John Gavin - CNM
Carole Bishop - ACT
Ken Andrews - EFMA
Welcome
PB welcomed working group attendees
Minutes of last meeting
Agreed as accurate
Items
Remit and name of regulatory working group
There was open discussion amongst the A vote taken on change of remit from auricular acupuncture regulatory working group to microsystems acupuncture regulatory working group. Proposed by PB seconded by JC. Voted for unanimously.
Other stakeholder groups
PB and PR have contacted EFMA who have expressed an interest in being part of the group.
Korean acupuncture - DL has contacted Wan-Hey Park, khtmich@yahoo.co.uk , a Korean microsystems training organisation. They have expressed an interest in being involved. PB to contact via email for the group to formally register their interest.
NADA -there has been no communication recently from NADA, PR to contact Margaret Pinnington for an update.
Wellbeing Holistic Therapies were contacted by PR and have expressed an interest in being involved and informed of the group.
PB has contacted ST of Sustainable Health who has also expressed an interest in being involved.
PR expressed concerns over stakeholders expressing verbal interest and not taking positive action to aid in the development of the group.
It was agreed that stakeholder groups should be required to attend at least one meeting as a minimum per year. PB suggested that as a policy stakeholder groups should be expected rather than required to attend all meetings. This was subject to these meetings being held at venues, which reflected the variety of stakeholders, as suggested by JC.
Lay Chair
ICS has informed PB that a lay chair has been found who may be acceptable and will email the details to circulate to the group.
Timetable
PB will email all paperwork relevant to date to each stakeholder, and update all paperwork with current date to let everyone to be able to identify most current version.
Definition
DL to develop a definition of microsystems of acupuncture to be circulated and discussed at next meeting.
ASG update
The impact assessment identifying the numbers of registered members of the ASG was discussed. There was discussion about the implication of numbers of trained but not registered practitioners out in practice. There may be upwards of many thousands of people trained who may or may not be in practice.
PB reported that Rachael Trip was present at the ASG meeting and that at best Herbal Medicines would be state regulated by 2010.
Constitution.
PB has received feedback on proposed constitution and will circulate this and amended 4 annexes for further discussion.
Budgeting and finances.
PR has business pack. PR and PB have signed and completed, and PR will open new bank account for group.There should be no banking fees for the society, with Nat West, however PR will confirm this.
Accounting fees have been estimated by accountants to be approximately £400 + VAT per year.
It was agreed that any shortfall funding would be bourn equally by the individual stakeholders. PB did not expect thereto be shortfall in the first 2 years of the funding from the FIH.
PB has informed the ASG that as a group we would no longer be funding into the ASG as we would be diverting our funds to developing our own VSR regulator and register.
Mission statement
JC to write mission statement for the MAcC.
Feedback
Continued documented feedback is being received from the group stokeholders and has been very positive.
Format of the register.
Title would be e.g. ear acupuncturist, part of the Microsystems acupuncture council.
PB put forward a proposed format for the register. There was open discussion around the titles to be used. PB to circulate proposed format.
This initial format was acceptable in principal, with stated reservations, re revalidation, insurance, administration, and cost, to the attending stakeholders, all of the stated concerns have yet to be explored.
Discussion about the link between the training registers, the regulator, and insurance companies.
PR raised the issue of weather the proposed council needs insurance for members. JT said insurance could be covered as part of the membership to the proposed council.
2 stakeholder groups have registered are registered charities and need to explore the impact on hem.
PB to explore what impact there would be if federal approach adopted on funding from the FIH. PB to talk to JN with regards this question.
Discussion on the pros and cons of the federal approach verses a single register with regards to NADA and Acu-detox. PR to contact NADA with regards to an update on the meeting last July in which RG said he would discuss this problem with NADA.
AOB
PR to get prices for MAcRWG web site.
SMART
There were many concerns raised over certain claims made by SMART in their promotional literature.
Publicity
It was agreed that as a regulatory working group we create a publicity update, possibly with the help of the FIH, to raise the profile of the RWG.
For all
All stakeholders to email web links to their web-sites to PR.
Next meeting
Friends Meeting House, York
Quaker Meeting House
Friargate York
YO19RL
In-between castle gate and Clifford Street
10 mins walk from station
Train from Kings cross to York
3 rd of July 2008. 12.00 - 16.00pm
PB to contact Rosemary 01904624065
(Spoke to and booked with Swea - assistant warden)
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